it wrecks the soul of america, taints our image around the world. it doesn't get us actionable intelligence. >> jimmy, i watched the torture scene in this movie, and as jane maier points out, at no point in the film do we see any of the debate or argument about torture that happened within the american intelligence community. >> that's right. >> how is that not just simply a whitewash of the issue? >> well, because it's a movie. again -- >> but, sir, you keep saying that, jimmy, but at the beginning of the movie is says this, this movie is based upon firsthand accounts of actual events. if it's only a movie, then don't put that up as a rider. >> but i think the movie is saying that -- that's my point. i don't think that -- i go see harry potter movies. that doesn't mean everything in there -- >> stop it, jimmy. harry potter has no place in this conversation. harry potter is a fan tasiccle move. >> at the end of the day, we're at war with people that killed 3,000 people on 9/11, that killed people in our embassies and in our diplomatic security place